Does the Watchtower really teach Jesus Christ's ransom is not directly applied to the "Great Crowd?"?
Bubblegum Apotheosis
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WHAT EVIDENCE DOES THE W.T.S. USE TO PROVE THE RANSOM IS INDIRECTLY APPLIED TO THE OTHER SHEEP?
by Bubblegum Apotheosis in.
does the watchtower really teach jesus christ's ransom is not directly applied to the "great crowd?
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I too have been charged with apostasy! Stunned.
by FinchAndWeston inmy wife and i got a letter sent to me stating we are being called before a judical hearing to discuss allegations of apostasy!
we haven't gone to the meeting in 5 years.
are the jw's on a witchhunt lately?
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Bubblegum Apotheosis
I love the part about "Their JW family and relatives will get the hint!, Shun Shun!" If they don't get the hint' some helpful elder will make the absentee JW's conduct available by calling or spreading their sins via the grapevine!
"Telephone, Tell-a-Friend ,Tell-an-elder" equals going "Viral in the JW Comunity!" They won't leave you alone, you are a publisher card that needs to be pigeon holed, so your leaven does not turn the congregation into Sour Dough bread!
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Does anyone else think there is less and less JW and religious content on this site each year?
by yadda yadda 2 ini may be wrong but it seems that with each passing year the number of real jw and religious related threads gets less and less on this site..
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Bubblegum Apotheosis
I added a thread on "Stupid Quotes" "Elder Appointment by Holy Spirit or ???????????"" Your wish is my command!
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For Lurkers and Newbies, "How Are Kingdom Hall Elders Appointed By The Holy Spirit?"
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inas previously requested by a fellow jwn, i will post a topic about "jw stuff", so "newbies, lurkers and recently bittered souls" are able to discern how the watchtower society's statement about "elders being appointed by holy spirit" is not true.. according to the holy bible, these are the requirements for being appointed an elder by men, men who are suppose to observe if their hand picked elder is obeying god's word.. 1 timothy 3 "living bible translation".
"3 this is a trustworthy saying: "if someone aspires to be an elder,[a] he desires an honorable position.
" 2 so an elder must be a man whose life is above reproach.
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Bubblegum Apotheosis
"All It Takes For Evil To Suceed Is For Good Men To Do Nothing". Who said this?
St. Paul's statement in 1 Timothy 3: creates some very large barriers to entry, to become an overseer of the Hall. The Bible's requirements for entry are very high, but we both know, those are not the ones we need to worry about, it's man made ones we need to become enslaved to.
Like J.As comments to one elder you know "Unless your spouse adjust her attitude, you won't be an elder" her attidude was not a lack of christian application, it was something J.A did not like! Now, I suppose I lost my cheerfulness of how elders were appointed when I saw personal attacks carried out on long time servants of Jehovah. If there are more good elders than bad, why are the Halls in disaray, people complaining about Shepherding Calls only taking place before a CO comes to town (Or at least one scheduled, until he leaves, it's on our list to do CO!) , to show how much the BOE cares?
The cowards who were afraid to stand up to the Hall Bully, what can we say about them? Hoorah for keeping a low profile while brothers or sisters are "Pinkertoned" but our body of elders say "We sure work together greatly, if you don't believe, ask the CO himself!" The CO did not know the brother he hand picked for an assembly part, previously handed fliers out in the parkinglot on Apostate material. Once he got his assembly part, he rejoined Jehovah's Happy people and stopped (placing fliers on cars) his work, because he received the glory he wanted! Three of the elders on the body know he did this, but they are to meek to call him on it! Now that's ugly, but how this Org brings out the madness of annointed men!
Right now we have elders jumping from Hall to Hall, trying to fit into this madness, whether they are "Captive Of A Concept" does not free them of their moral obligation to do justice. During the Neuremberg Trials when Hitler's henchmen attemtped to justify the evil they inflected on their fellow men, their defence "We were obeying Hitler (Captive to the NAZI Concept) and our country!" did not sway the justices, who replied "You should have upheld the higher law of humanity, not blind obedience to evil." End result, they were executed or put in prison for life!
Unfortunate, ugly or bitter as this might be, there are too many elders who are not willing to challenge the evil deeds taking place, the petty agendas being lobbied against murmuring ones. The saying in business is "Shit Rolls Down Hill, Not Up!" We are not a "Bottom's Up" but a Top's Down Organization, Caste System, Class Distinctions are praised because it sets "Holy Joe" on a pedestal while Sally Slump-in-Hours is looked at as weak, and our silent partner elders will be quick to praise "Holy Joe" over "Sally-Slump-In-Hours" any day. I watched this shit since 1972, and only a few stand out as truly praise worthly and Sheep Caring Men.
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For Lurkers and Newbies, "How Are Kingdom Hall Elders Appointed By The Holy Spirit?"
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inas previously requested by a fellow jwn, i will post a topic about "jw stuff", so "newbies, lurkers and recently bittered souls" are able to discern how the watchtower society's statement about "elders being appointed by holy spirit" is not true.. according to the holy bible, these are the requirements for being appointed an elder by men, men who are suppose to observe if their hand picked elder is obeying god's word.. 1 timothy 3 "living bible translation".
"3 this is a trustworthy saying: "if someone aspires to be an elder,[a] he desires an honorable position.
" 2 so an elder must be a man whose life is above reproach.
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Is it me or is that ewatchman guy way too negative?
by Inisc inhas everyone heard of him, robert king?.
i occasionally have a look on his site, at times when im not sure what i believe.
i'm sliding towards atheism but i'm not completely sure either way.. the more reading i do of things of a scientific nature, the more i edge towards no god, but i like to analyse both sides of an idea.. anyway, whenever i read anything on kings website, it just seems he is a bit of doomsday cultist himself, i mean he has all these links to conspiracy sites, and all manner of negative scary articles about nuclear war and famine etc.
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Bubblegum Apotheosis
Ray, I think the issue with me and Randy with "E-watchman" is he is very mean and vicious with his attacks. He would attrack more friends if he was not so angry, "King" is not afraid to verbally destroy, humiliate, or crush anyone who does not agree with his brilliance.
You know the kind of men who are so self-righteous, so self-assured of their position and convinced me and you are going to Hell? How fun was Field Service when a brother would say "I slayed that householder, left him speechless and angry at not being able to defend the Trinity!"
The debate battles of two brothers against the householder, while the car-group sat patiently for two hours in the burning Sun. How fun was that? We accomplished nothing but enraging the householder and pissing off the nice car-group for ego. Robert King is not afraid to allow his personal ego to distract his other message that "Something is very wrong in New York, Something very bad!" -
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Stupid Qoutes From Traveling Overseers! COs, DOs At Work!.
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inwhen your circuit or district overseer spoke this statement "turn around and behold your loyal brothers and sisters, they are your real family!".
did you agree with him?
or wonder if something was wrong with yourself or your family?
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Bubblegum Apotheosis
I still have not hit "10" threads at once like somebody we know! Sorry for the double thread, how did this happen? Sorry Ray and Steve, Zid, my bad!
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Stupid Qoutes From Traveling Overseers! COs, DOs At Work!.
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inwhen your circuit or district overseer spoke this statement "turn around and behold your loyal brothers and sisters, they are your real family!".
did you agree with him?
or wonder if something was wrong with yourself or your family?
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Bubblegum Apotheosis
@Z, Last night "Smiddy" hit 10, maybe higher I stopped counting, under the "beliefs" thread"
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Stupid Qoutes From Traveling Overseers! COs, DOs At Work!.
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inwhen your circuit or district overseer spoke the above statement "turn around and behold your loyal brothers and sisters, they are your real family!
some of the most outgoing elders in the kingdom halls are still lonely, sisters who put the needs of others are burned out and depressed.
so how come they don't feel the way circuit o does?
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Bubblegum Apotheosis
Let this tread die, Double Double, Sorry Steve!
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Watchtower Apologist does not find Don Cameron's book acceptable!
by Terry inhttp://settingtherecordstraight.wordpress.com/category/don-cameron-a-captive-of-misconcepts/.
witnesses, how can cameron assert that jehovahs witnesses only believe what a small governing body of men tell them when other religions have.
but yet, when jehovahs witnesses believe the same things cameron says it is only.
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Bubblegum Apotheosis
Terry, where did they find this apologist, the blogger was not honest about Jehovah Witnesses being able to "Make sure of all things" even the insane dubs, know asking the wrong question will bring trouble your way.
Zealous elders would love to entertain a comment during the Watchtower Study like "If our teachings are becoming more blurred, might Jehovah have left us, and moved on to find other teachers?"